Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vet School Confidential

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The result was keep. Sourcing has been found to exist Star Mississippi 02:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vet School Confidential

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First source is just a local-interest story in a vet magazine, which is not enough to convey notability. Nothing better found Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep more citations in Lansing State Journal [1], South Bend Tribune [2], The Philadelphia Enquirer [3] DonaldD23 talk to me 00:49, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Local interest story, press release, and press release. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not you think of these sources as enough to pass the TV notability requirements, they are indeed coverage about the article on hand which satisfies WP:GNG. As for the ones you are calling "press release", they are syndicated articles that appear in multiple different newspapers, but they are not press releases. They are attributed to different authors, and do not come from the primary source (makers of the show). The are independent authors working for news service companies and constitute independent coverage. Check out Press release for more clarification. DonaldD23 talk to me 01:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They were still commissioned by the show to write about it; ergo, primary source. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:16, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And where did you come up with that assumption? Do you have a citation that shows these were paid articles? Quite a bold statement. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Written by a press company to gush about the show. Not a negative word in sight. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:24, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So now the Associated Press is a "press company" that "gushes about the show." I'm sure they would love to know that a 175 year old news agency is just around to write puff pieces. DonaldD23 talk to me 15:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's just routine run of the mill churnalism. They'll write about my own ass if I pay them enough. Does that make my ass notable? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You frequently allege that independent secondary coverage meeting GNG requirements are just "press releases" as a strawman argument. While doubtlessly there was a press release that preceded that article somewhere, if a news outlet covers it, it is a secondary source, not a press release. matt91486 (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @TenPoundHammer: Content by the Associated Press ([4]) or Knight Ridder News Service ([5]) or other syndicated content is not necessarily a press release. A WP:BEFORE search for news coverage (I access news databases with a simple library card) includes:

Long, Tom (August 7, 2001). "Dr. Dolittles in training - Series follows Michigan State vet students as they learn to care for the animals". The Detroit News. p. 1B – via NewsBank..
Bergeron, Judy (October 28, 2001). "Vet School Confidential's Cezar brings crew to La. ranch". The Advocate. Baton Rouge, LA. p. 25 – via NewsBank.

As a human interest show, the coverage generally covers the humans, with basic detail of the show's setting and strucutre. While a single season reality show is not likely to have extensive enduring coverage, a better alternative to deletion is redirect to List of Animal Planet original programming. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SPEEDY DELETE. Just a 3 line article and nothing on Google News search. _{- Signed by}NeverTry4Me ^Talk 02:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The length of an article is not a factor in determining notability, see WP:ARTN. DonaldD23 talk to me 03:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Bergeron, Judy (2001-10-28). "Vet School Confidential's Cezar brings crew to La. ranch". The Advocate. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  The article notes: "Cezar is in her fourth year at Michigan State University College of Veterinary Medicine and is one of the stars of Vet School Confidential. The weekly Animal Planet reality series follows five of the school's students through their daily lives as they apply the knowledge learned in the classroom in a functioning hospital setting or on a farm. Most of Vet School Confidential's footage is shot in MSU's Veterinary Teaching Hospital."
2. Long, Tom (2001-08-07). "Dr. Dolittles in training - Series follows Michigan State vet students as they learn to care for the animals". The Detroit News. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  The article notes: "Debuting on the Animal Planet network tonight, a 13-week series called Vet School Confidential follows the lives of Cezar and four other Michigan State University students, tracking their highs and lows while simultaneously recording the sophisticated state of medical treatment for animals. There's Casey, a cute little furball of a dog gone blind from cataracts. And there's Kent Vince, the student trying to give Casey his vision back while also flirting with a cute student on her way to surgery. There are tips on how to keep manure from getting in your boots while working on horses, and there are anxious owners waiting to see if their pets will survive."
3. Spreier, Jeanne (2001-10-07). "Shows about animals are the picks of this litter". The Dallas Morning News. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  The article notes: "One of my kids told me Vet School Confidential was "a really good show, Mom, really." It's not a typical kid's show by any means. It's about veterinary students at Michigan State University, airs fairly late on a school night and covers rather arcane vet school topics. In one recent episode, vets were replacing the pacemaker in a dog and trying to get a day-old reindeer to nurse - not events you'd think a youngster would find interesting to watch."
4. "Animal Planet to show 'Vet School Confidential'". Jefferson City News-Tribune. Associated Press. 2001-07-30. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  The article notes: "Want to see a dog undergo cataract surgery, the birth of a foal or the de-horning of a goat? These medical procedures and more will be featured on a new Animal Planet show, "Vet School Confidential," a 13-part television series filmed at Michigan State University. The weekly, half-hour series is scheduled to begin airing Aug. 7 on the cable channel."
5. Wellons, Nancy Imperiale (2001-08-09). "Cartoon Network's 'Samurai Jack' simply breathtaking". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  The article notes: "Besides, the animals don't talk on Vet School Confidential. It's the students who do most of the conversing during the offbeat, entertaining new 13-episode Animal Planet reality series, which follows the hectic lives of Mehler and several classmates at Michigan State University's College of Veterinary Medicine. ... Vet School Confidential, at 9:30 p.m. Tuesdays on Animal Planet, was filmed over four months on the MSU campus in East Lansing last winter and early spring."
6. Renzhofer, Martin (2001-08-07). "How Refreshing to See a Dignified Response on Television". The Salt Lake Tribune. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  The article notes: "For a real close-up taste of what your typical vet goes through en route to making sure your dog or ferret remains healthy, check out "Vet School Confidential" on Animal Planet tonight at 10:30 p.m. ... In an eye-opening first episode, 48 hours into vet student Kent Vince's first opthalmology rotation, he is shocked to discover he is assisting in his first cataract surgery."
7. Hughes, Mike (2001-08-07). "Vet students shine in Animal Planet spotlight. MSU dishes up the dirt for rea-life cable show". Lansing State Journal. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "When "Vet School Confidential opens tonight, it will introduce a fresh supply of local heroes. The show — 9:30 p.m. Tuesdays on cable's Animal Planet — spends the next 13 weeks viewing Michigan State University's veterinary school."
8. Less significant coverage:
  1. P., Kevin (2001-09-14). "Two shows join Animal Planet fold". Arizona Daily Star. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
    The article notes: "Medical dramas have always been a solid bet, and reality programs are now all the rage. Put them both together with an animal angle and you get "Vet School Confidential." This new series follows five real-life veterinary students as they deal with (among other things): a life-threatening auto accident involving a Labrador retriever; a newborn reindeer having nursing difficulties; and an ornery goat that needs to be dehorned."
  2. Handelman, Jay (2001-08-06). "TV Diet". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
    The article notes: "We've seen medical students learning their skills on a variety of doctor shows, but Animal Planet shifts the focus with "Vet School Confidential." The new series follows a group of veterinary students at Michigan State University as they go through the clinical rotations that will teach them how to care for our pets."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Vet School Confidential to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:11, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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